I knew about this AF issues with A7R II and was intently trying to see if the same low light focusing issues exist on the new A7R III. The information I've given is 100% true. @osvYou are still a hopelessly terrible reader. Review: Does the Canon Rebel T8i DSLR make sense in an increasingly mirrorless world? @miksto"Let me disappoint you. its 2017 send a backup on your phone or whatever if u worry and bigger battery, just get a batterygrip or a 12000mah external battery. your time would be better spent learning how to operate your camera, at SLOW panning speeds, instead of yelling on the internet about things that do not matter in the real world. If you find what I am after please share. Sony's a7C is among the smallest full-frame mirrorless cameras you can buy, and in terms of core capability, not much has been sacrificed for the sake of compactness. The a7R III performed such that it got 90. But it does mean you lost what was a valuable memory. Not recommended, sure, but what if you want to shoot a dark scene? I'd call the output through ISO 25600 strong, but noise does start to overtake fine detail at ISO 32000, and is more of an issue at ISO 51200. What is more in cases 3 and 4 when Sony's AF becomes totally useless Nikon and Canon obtain focus accurately and instantly with no visible hunting. ", funny how you troll sony with false information, then claim that no one understands what you say, lmao. Now if you had simply stated you prefer an OVF that would be an opinion I couldn't argue with but when you imply something as a fact that I have proven to my self through actual experience I will take you to task. What are your numbers? The oversampled footage taken from a Super 35 (~APS-C) region of the sensor is still expected to look better than the subsampled capture from the full sensor width but both are supposedly improved by the new processing chain. >> 2) why you would not use an F2 or faster.a) All the issues I described above I observed with 25mm F2 lens in an evening city lit with Xmas decorations. For example the A7R3 has improved mount strength to cope with heavier lenses (like the upcoming 400mm F/2.8). If your getting results like the sample gallery,I don’t wonder.Phew,some photos. This year, despite the disruption, plenty of amazing cameras, lenses, accessories and other products came through our doors. The raw images are amazing, including rapid burst action shots of surfers cutting waves on Oahu's north shore. Far superior. New algorithms and processor are in place, yet still dealing with older hardware. Ummm... that would be the M in PASM just like any other camera. How much is done in low light? We compare the Canon EOS R6, Nikon Z6 II, Panasonic S5 and Sony a7 III. If you're already invested in the Sony system and want the most resolution possible, along with the best autofocus system and a versatile 10fps capture rate, the a7R III is the clear choice. Assign a button to enable crop mode, shoot a few frames at high speed, immediately try to switch to crop mode = black message = fail :(. It's support for the in-camera apps that have been removed. @Everythingis1You are just being silly and lacking attention. The Sony Alpha 7R III is Sonyâs latest high-resolution, full-frame mirrorless camera. With A7R II I tried battery/grip extender and it was still less ergonomic for my hands then Canon or Nikon DSLRs - just did not feel right at all. "BS">> Nikon and Canon do not offer eye AFGiven Sony fails to acquire focus completely eye AF does not even come into picture in low light. There are a number of key upgrades to the a7R3 that have made it a far more useful (and usable) camera. And when I hold A7R III I have only two finger firm grip which is no good for a day of shooting. My point is you two are going back and forth ad infinitum about something that rarely matters. It takes a sensor that's already proven to deliver excellent performance and ekes a bit more dyanmic range out of it, while other upgrades are more palpable. I like many aspects of many brands. You are just being silly assuming your little delusions are the nature of things for everybody. You implied that the clearer view through the OVF was needed for critical shooting. Maybe, but not if you shoot a lot of moving subjects like in sports and wildlife photography. I am glad you do not have to deal with the cases (unless you are just a fanboy who prefers to be blind even though comes across these AF failures) when Sony's AF is no good. Work it out if you at all can read and work out based on reading - I am not very hopeful in your ability to work it out based on past experience including your above posts that fail to grasp rather basic things but I have no reason to teach you either. And I was hoping A7R III would fix that but clearly not. With the table example below I switched from Wide focus area to centre and spot-M to see how it focuses on low contrast texture and it failed. It's in-house stabilization system and almost like cinema follow focus are jewels of modern photography and videography world. AH! You so funny! It has near the same level of banding with led light as the A7RII in silent mode. I hoped you can say something useful in this discussion and wasted enough time on you but you seem to be in capable. I'm in manual focus, nothing turned on that would increase processing. I think you are really trying hard to find negatives on this camera. @armandinoThe video you refer to is not exactly relevant:1) Is not for A7R III we discuss in this review.2) They do not even check if the photos are in focus. >> What lenses are you using? Sign up for What's New Now to get our top stories delivered to your inbox every morning. maybe someday you'll understand why the film/video industry relies on things like panning speed calculators, but i'm not going to hold my breath, lol. The a7R III features Sony's latest cocktail of wireless communication, which includes Bluetooth, NFC, and Wi-Fi. Do you or do you not have answer to my question? F1.4 may have given more leverage but how more niche does it get if AF fails with anything above F1.4? The whole reason I purchased this camera and based largely on this inadequate review. I am really sorry for your ignorance of such basic things. Still making me laugh at how what does not focus at all is better in your rather twisted mind than what focuses instantly. @richard cohenD850 AF praise is about 3D tracking. The phenomenon is mostly an issue when there is overly fast handheld movement". No price is given at this time, but the adapter is set to be available by the end of the year. A couple months ago Sony released a major firmware update for its a7 III and a7R III cameras that includes significant new features and functionality. White balance is definitely improved. And I am sure Rishi understands that. @mikstoI tried different settings as it was a two week trial of A7R II.So are we talking about A7RII or A7RIII?There is a big difference A7RII>A7RIII>A9Were you:1) AF-S or AF-C2) Wide, Zone, Center, Flexible spot, Lock-on3) If Lock-on S, or M, or L? I hope I do not need to explain why one would use zoom lenses. With a 1.8x squeeze, the lens produces a more pronounced anamorphic effect than the 1.33x lenses offered by Sirui, albeit at a much higher cost. 3 fps continiuous shooting if you need continuous AF. Wow!!! All relative to how you consider yourself - the same then applies to me. @miksto - "The information I've given is 100% true.". I feel the same way. wrong again, it's not my choice... the cinema5d link that YOU posted clearly told YOU that you are not operating the camera correctly. The larger battery has more than double the capacity. Not sure A6500 is much better - it seems terrible in reviews. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. Interesting armandino, I'm glad it's working for you. That's the size I am looking for. Have you got anything like ADL that might require additional processing turned on? Sony has made so many great innovations over the years, but seems pretty stubborn on this one, just to annoy some people, including me. I really have no reason to live on denial. For me personally, working with the restrictions of a vintage film camera was like a liberation, including street photography. Similarly see answer to your first question wrt cine lenses that are F4. your comments about banding or gello. I have heard that it’s because the new cameras has a new cpu architecture that would require a complete rewrite of the apps.They say that not that many people actually use them.A time lapse feature would be nice though. You have only just confirmed I am right. If I use AF-S then again I need to take many shots. The only thing you said is not to use AF-S which in itself is a crappy suggestion. >> 4:2:2 is already available with an external recorder. If you prefer to be blind about that it is your choice, not mine. @ mikstoFrom a practical point of view there is virtually no need to shoot f2.8 or higher in -3EV, -4EV. Typical rubber... come in with some kind of spin/deflection, get called on it, and leave to the next thread with more of the same. That's a workaround, not the idea solution. The top is unchanged from the a7R II—as with others in the series, there's no built-in flash. I'm cool with that given the extra functionality and durability I am trading for it. But they still did not get to measurable and comparable review of rolling shutter and still no word on Super 35. If it had focus stacking it would be perfect! You just prefer not to notice. In a year when social distancing became a way of life overnight, Senior Editor Barney Britton maintained a small sense of connection via the Fujifilm X100V. This is a first for the a7 series, and a feature we're finally seeing on almost every new professional camera. And it wasn't even that dark. Your responses of the style - if I have not seen it is BS - rather make me think of you lacking credibility in experience in the areas which you deny. I push my video files pretty hard with post processing believe me. It is not that Sony fans are too weak to lift heavy Nikons! Video with test results by the Imaging Resource:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BG74w0gAw. In fact even you with your inability to read should understand the meaning of -EV in focus specs and what it says about relative ability to focus in low light. My shots showed plenty of stars in the sky, more so than I remember seeing with my own eyes. You can still get the a7R II for less—it's officially priced at $1,999.99, but is selling for about $1,800 at press time. While they were out shooting their video about Sigma's new lenses, Chris and Jordan filled up a memory card with photos from the 35mm F2 DG DN using Panasonic bodies. I need one answer: measurable and comparable rolling shutter in UHD Super 35 on A7R III. Since they use the same sensor why is the A7RIII limited to 10fps. The autofocus time is nearly instant, 0.05-second in bright light, although it slows to about 0.15-second in dim conditions. Generally you would shoot 1.4-2.0 and you are hard pressed seeing A9 lagging in performance. If you need more quality, you can output a clean 4:2:2 signal over HDMI to send to a field recorder. Sony still has a point-and-shoot mind with one hand (with lots of menus), but I feel more comfortable in using two hands at the same time, and it's much quicker. No doubt this camera will soon be a favourite one for video-makers and small budget film makers. I have no interest in the Fuji controls and don't understand why anyone would in 2017. Learn to read.2) I have A7RII and I know first hand how terrible its rolling shutter is. It's also possible miksto doesn't even take much video but is just trolling. Sure, they pack 50MP of resolution, but they're best suited for studio and landscape use due to a rather limited ISO range and a sensor that's at its best when you perfectly nail exposure in-camera—if you're shooting action and events, that isn't always possible. NO, because rolling shutter is not a factor, as the cinema5d link told you already: "Rolling Shutter is for many not a purchase criteria. The a7R III uses the same full-frame 42MP BSI CMOS sensor as its predecessor. This is further strengthened given the comparison is done:1) In super ideal case for Sony A7R III (F1.4).2) Not the best of competition in terms of low light AF.So the best Sony can do is to match in super ideal circumstances with not the best of AF competitors. When I want to judge a scene, I use my eyes. I also know that I often shoot in low light warranting Super 35 for its better low light. While we work through our full review, check out our preliminary sample gallery to get a feel for how it performs. Thanks for confirming what I said above but not sure why you felt you need to confirm. I will just wait until cinema5d.com or someone else measures it. And some such events do not have good lighting. It's not meant to compete with it - it's an entry-level camera costing a third of the price. I use my eyes to see a picture. And no one has ever complained about a bit of extra leeway in exposure adjustment. This camera inspires me. Probably the most uncomfortable camera in your hands I have ever felt. Yongnuo, makers of lenses, cameras and other photo accessories, has filed a patent for a modular mirrorless camera system. Now if only my wallet would allow it... What is the bit depth on the A7 R III when shooting uncompressed raw with mechanical shutter - single frame, 8 frames per second, 10 frames per second? Canon's high-resolution series, the 5DS R and 5DS, aren't as versatile in the field as the a7R III. Both the A7R III and the A7S III are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that are equipped with a full frame sensor. You delude yourself if you see equivalence. This is no good for events. Only the A9 performs well in that case, so be aware. But you respond to the question I raised in the topic I created and unless you respond to what I am asking you are just a useless to my question troll. I use to respond a bit sour to such idiotic statements, now, meh, if you do not get it is your problem. I have no complaints about the ergonomics. I have not yet found any scientific and comparable rolling shutter test of A7R III. @richard butler I love this idea and it's not terribly hard to implement... unless you don't want poleple to know what the weights and parameters taken into consideration are . I am sorry. The phenomenon is mostly an issue when there is overly fast handheld movement" ...because it proves that your concerns are grossly exaggerated. As long as the eye is covered by the current autofocus area, and it's large enough for the camera to identify, the a7R III will focus on it. The Sony a7R III ($3,199.99, body only) uses the same sensor as the a7R II that came before it, but just about everything else has changed. It still somehow feels way worse and not ergonomic than Nikon or Canon cameras without a grip. NOWHITELENSAre you claiming that Clayton1985 is representative of all Sony users? The Fuji Q menu is nice too but otherwise I'll take the Sony menus. We tested the feature and found it to work quite well. The display itself is 3 inches in size and packs a 1,440k-dot resolution, a modest bump from the 1,228k screen used by the a7R II. How does this change with live view? You can try to compare A7R III to A9 but that is pointless when talking about competition. The closest rival to the Alpha A7R III, Nikon's D850 is a fabulous full-frame DSLR that delivers stunning 45.4MP images, and combines a wealth of features with top-notch performance. I would like to note at this point that while there are certainly advantages in ergonomics when holding a larger body, I really think that much of the physical positive feel of the ergonomics has to do with what we are used to. The a7R III ditches the FW50 battery used by previous models. OVF is good for longer battery life and people like me still shooting analogue cameras in parallel to digital cameras. You are comparing two different things and looking for equivalence that cannot exist. The left control cluster for the a9R will contain controls appropriate for a super highres stills and video camera, not those of the a9 speedster. @miksto - "If you read what I said I never made any of the two claims you misrepresent here as coming from me. Frankly I would want an even bigger grip than what you describe but otherwise I agree that ergonomics of this camera is still very poor. It's limited to saving individual images—in Raw or JPG format—and the a7R III's sensor has enough pixels to output time-lapse footage at close to 8K resolution. Sluggish performance, not 100% reliable, and the setup could be a lot simpler. There were 2 more that were close but not quite there. @ChriscotechAbsolutely, that is the obvious consideration, but honestly I got tired of repeating myself.Also, "using the joystick painfully jammed my right thumb against my nose" is very opinionated as the joystick is positioned like any other camera:http://j.mp/2k6Ch1R, Yeah, the AF-ON is in the completely wrong place anyway, and even worse if you are left-eyed.I find it very awkward and painful to shoot my A9s and now A7r III for very long, holding in the AF-ON button.I wish I would toggle it on :), >> "using the joystick painfully jammed my right thumb against my nose" is very opinionated as the joystick is positioned like any other camera. Again the advantage is not in faster af, but better subject detection so you can reliably let the camera follow it around. The added precision isn't just used to ensure images are as sharp as possible, however. I am amazed at this ignorance. But because it doesn't have the same incredibly fast sensor readout, banding and rolling shutter are a concern. And I do not care enough to prove anything to you. Yes.. the M5 feels/is more comfortable/secure in ones hand, even though it is quite a bit smaller than the A7RIII. He really needs to look at the dictionary definition of ergonomics before putting forward such silly argument as "you cannot compare ergonomics of mirroless to DSLR" as ergonomics has nothing to do with mirrorless and more to do with design decisions that make it comfortable or not in comparison. I shoot about 1/2M pictures/year. Sony requires good light and good contrast. I need no website to gain clientele. I totally give up on any attempts to help you learn to read as you clearly seem to be incurable in that respect. It doesn't do as much, but perhaps you don't need as much. The increased weight is due to IBIS being added and generally better/stronger build of the magnesium body. And in Sony world it is fine that it fails to focus?2) Are you saying that expecting that if it indicated it focused on the face with face detection with green box is using it like a Nikon/Canon and in Sony world it is actually fine to show you focused on the face but but actually focus on background? It is a real problem and is a serious one on A7R II in certain circumstances. It's just as strong in the field as it is in the studio. A close look at images from our ISO test scene shows that images are superb, with no noticeable loss in quality, through ISO 1600. Photographer and YouTuber Todd Dominey has shared a video that details the history of Kodak Aerochrome film, a film stock he says has 'an origin story unlike any other.'. It is easy to take words out of context but that only makes you ever more wrong and look silly, and as ever an incapable reader. very nice camera my copy arrived two weeks ago, now i'm doing the first shooting with it (i switched from a7r2) my first pics of today: https://goo.gl/ad3tVV or https://t.co/V9AKL9JW7y ) eye af, WB are so much improved, now I'm just shooting in jpg (sooc) and raw reads them only capture, but the quality of the output is really high. i've already told you what you are doing wrong, so learn how to read, and learn how to use a camera. I do not understand their workflow. What is correct depends on the scene. I've never had a joystick on a camera before). Again one more assertion from your side "Our experience is comparable based on your numbers" that show your statements are questionable. As for Sony taking a look at the XT2 - I think it should be the other way round. You don't need to spend a fortune to buy a camera that's designed for videography. @osvAs if I have a need to prove anything to you. I get it, but with the d500/d850/d5 af system you can use group af and it is almost uncanny in its ability to lock on where you want it for objects moving too quickly to move the focus point around. Otherwise sounds at least as good as d850. Just add dji ronin and you will be able to shoot everything. If it focuses it is already superior to the one that does not focus. The a7R III ($2,298.00 at Amazon) looks and feels a lot like the a7R II—they use the same chassis. I would say almost every Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Samsung etc...regardless of size, is more ergonomic to hold than just about all Sony's. Even if the light is reasonable but good contrast is not there Sony fails to focus while Nikon/Canon do. @miksto">> Nikon and Canon do not offer eye AFGiven Sony fails to acquire focus completely eye AF does not even come into picture in low light. If I need the ultimate IQ the A7RIII will do, if I need the complete discreteness or ultimate speed and AF I have the A9. Btw "I tested on a gimbal and the gimbal got hit by a passer by with only gentle shake and not much movement of the frame the rolling shutter resulted in very visible jello effect that lasted for about 10 seconds "I am not sure what sort of Hulk bumped you. It is difficult sometimes to see plain sarcasm not being face to face.To be fair Sony does quite a bit of clear evident innovation but still does not seem to nail a few important things. As Sony already has proven that they can make faster cameras with adapted lenses, why do they cripple most of them? Sure it "WORKS", but it's obvious to the most computer/camera illiterate that it's a poorly written app. I am only interested in answer to my question that you seem to be unable to provide and only keep playing some diversion tactics thinking I can get distracted from my very narrow question. I've made the correction to the article. In a studio set-up. Way better than looking trough a grainy OVF groundglass or an OVF. A7R III indicates it focused but when you take a shot and zoom 100% even in camera you see it has not really focused and worse of all it also lies for face detection AF as well. We've seen this type of system in Olympus mirrorless models and the Pentax K-1 SLR previously. It can't sync with flash, however, you need to switch to the mechanical shutter for that—and when you do, the a9 becomes a 5fps camera. If you continue to fail to read so grotesquely bringing ever more irrelevant stuff you may get me laughing again as you once did already - you are close enough. It's available in Canon EF, Fuji X, Leica M, M42, MFT, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts and the first units are expected to ship in January 2021. And again an extended battery/grip does not fix it for me. Read our Sony A7R III Review We havenât finished our review of the Sony A7S III, but we have extensive sample photos and a hands-on report. Even though it did confuse me the first few weeks. @tbcassmy comment was addressing to the top of the thread, @NOWHITELENS. No offence but I do not want to waste my time. Plus you need some training so you can imagine how the image will look like when the film is developed. It also features nearly 150 wonderful images from past Olympics games. If you are panning to follow a fast moving subject the rolling shutter on the background doesn't matter because it will be out of focus and blurry from movement. The viewfinder is used to compose the shot. is this not spurious ? Back in my film days I was too worried about using up all my film. What’s the best camera for around $2000? So AF is crappy even with F2.b) Answering your direct question: zoom lenses. Why? I clearly see the problems. Tried that as well with Atomos but for retouching that alone is not enough and you strongly benefit from 10 bits or more to have freedom without introducing banding and you do not get that. Write times are longer—39.6 seconds for Raw+JPG, 38.3 seconds for JPG, and 23.8 seconds for Raw. The a7R III doesn't offer increased resolution when compared with its predecessor, but that doesn't mean it's not a serious upgrade. I guess you never heard of PRIMES yet. @armandinoEarlier I tried AF-C with the focusing on the low contrast pattern case and it still failed to focus where Nikon/Canons focused instantly. It's a niche (and pricey) product to be sure, but so far we find it to be well-designed and capable of outstanding results. I'll give it a go next time I have a moment and a fast card, but checking against the internal clock, while not perfectly precise, makes clear that it must be very close to 10fps. Improved processor and autofocus system. I prefer not be spoon fed. Sony ergonomics is by far the least comfortable off all camera brands... As far as 2 slots and many other improvements on the A7RIII over it's predecessor.. they are hailed by Sony fans as some how innovative..in the pro list vs the negatives.. If the niche application of using slow lenses AF in low light you might not be in the market for a Sony. Physical controls are extremely ergonomic and nice to have. Your subscription has been confirmed. It also has no joystick and requires two hands to turn on. It is just the camera is not good enough for such scenes. It had some issues identifying eyes when a pet was in profile, but aside from that, we have few complaints. I see it merely as catching up to DSLR's and other mirrorless brands, I would choose them over a Sony. In one case when I tested on a gimbal and the gimbal got hit by a passer by with only gentle shake and not much movement of the frame the rolling shutter resulted in very visible jello effect that lasted for about 10 seconds - this is just awful rolling shutter. The test that osv refers to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4it is indeed a proof that in AF-C Sony does quite well. It is not the scene that is incorrect but the camera if it cannot do the scene I need such as filming fast moving objects or from fast moving objects. @osvYou totally missed in all points you tried to make. It looks great but when you realize that Fuji has a tug of war between the physical controls and the menus you realize why it doesn't work. You can edit footage right out of the camera without color correction, or you can opt to shoot in Sony's Hybrid Log Gamma for HDR, or in the flat Slog3 profile for the most versatility when grading footage—even the video delivers 14 stops of dynamic range. Take a look. Depending on the load I could have between 500 and 5000 pictures a week. @miksto - "That is not the question I asked". Sony's future is in its mirrorless E-mount system. @Miksto : "Nikon live view nails it in low light"My experience indicates something completely different. Claiming that Sony is on a par by only looking at wide aperture lenses is like claiming the lens is sharp where MFT chart shows it is in the center despite it is very poor off center. Beautiful composition and pose.I wish we could zoom in more to see the details.Do you use C1 or LR or anything else ? In addition to humans, the new firmware also adds support for certain animals. If you have what I ask - kindly share. The A7Riii is better than most. I converted Raw images from our test scene using Adobe Lightroom Classic CC and have also included crops from each tested setting. AF-C does not solve the AF problems unlike your limited experience leads you to believe. I'm sure the sony af system is great, all I can tell you is when I'm shooting critters, most of the time I can use group af and let the camera figure out where focus should be when the action gets going...and it just works. The Sony A7R III flagship combines high megapixel count with incredible speed and accuracy When the A9 was announced, many of us were counting the days until Sony announced an â¦ Boy, I just held my collection item Canon 20D and it feels too fat to the point to be borderline uncomfortable. The addition of a customizable My Menu page is a welcome one, but you'll still want to spend a couple hours configuring the camera to your liking when you first get it. I want better and want it clearly confirmed. "http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/camera-panning-speed, "It is not the scene that is incorrect but the camera if it cannot do the scene". Yup. We're only talking about an increase of 183 grams from the A7. @miksto - "shares the MOST SEVERE rolling shutter we EVER TESTED". She used "focus by center point and recompose" technique with Canon 6d as that camera is known to have -3EV cross type center focus point that works well in low light and does not depend on lens aperture. Even as someone who believes Sony still has a lot of work to do on its menu systems, I found I could configure it to be fast and comfortable to use. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing around $2000 and recommended the best. Do OVF users like to spend time peering through a tunnel? @armandinoNope. But both positions were in good outside bright daylight and in clear view - just a different angle. For more operating time, the a7R III supports a vertical shooting grip that holds two batteries, effectively doubling the number of shots you'll get before making a change. How this camera passes weather sealing test? F2.8 zoom lenses or F4 Cine lenses) it will be significantly worse than even not the best of competitors. As I explained in my trial I focused specifically on the areas where I knew A7R II had serious real life limitations for me and that is the right thing to do when trialing the new A7R III to see whether Sony addressed those pain points. I only used that term to deflect you using it. Without a grip it is just awful in comparison. What is at odds with your suggestion on AF-C is they actually used AF-S in low light - not AF-C as you suggested. We take a look at how these two cameras stack up against one another. Do you have proof of having shot around 300K with an A7RII? A7R III was down right awful with this moon AF test though when it did the result was great.
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